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Comical Synchronicity
Most of foreign words are converted to KATAKANA characters when they are imported to Japan. Of course those 45 types of characters can not describe every words from every other country completely. We select a KATAKANA character which has most similar pronunciation to each syllable of original words. Since there is no Japanese pronunciation for both L and R, these two consonants are converted to the same Japanese consonant. So they always confuse us.
And when we pronounce those imported foreign words, we follow the pronunciations of those KATAKANAs. This custom prevents us from improving speaking foreign language.
Sometimes the same foreign word has several ways of description in KATAKANA, because those conversions are very subjective. For example, the English word "mobile" had been described like
(MOHBIRU), but it has changed to
(MOBAIRU) in these years.
Sometimes, those converted foreign words happen to have the same pronunciation as other Japanese words. And on rare occasions, these foreign and domestic words happen to be related in their meanings. It's so funny.
Because a new pope was elected several days ago, the word "Conclave" (the conference for election of the pope) has been seen many times on news reports. Conclave is written in KATAKANA like
(KONKURAHBE) and this pronunciation is very similar to Japanese word
(KONKURABE) which means "patience contest". I heard that the word "Conclave" came from the meaning of "with a key" because the voting cardinals are confined in a room not to be influenced by anyone else while the election goes on. So it's very funny since they must have been required to be patient in those several days. It's just like a patience contest, isn't it?
"Taberna", which means "restaurant" in Greek, is converted to
(TABERUNA). It has the same pronunciation as
(TABERUNA) which means "do not eat".
In the following examples, each pair of words does not have any relation in their meanings. But, I think they're still funny.
"Scheveningen" is a name of a place in The Hague, The Netherlands. If you write it with KATAKANA like
(SUKEBENINGEN), its pronunciation changes to be the same as
(SUKEBENINGEN --lechery human).
There is an island named "Erromango" in Vanuatu and it seems to be a very beautiful place to visit. But please forgive us that we can't help associate its name with
(EROMANGA --erotic comics).
Her name is mostly called as
(YUMA) by Japanese people because "Uma" means
(UMA --horse). "Horse" may not be suitable for the name of an actress in spite of her narrow face.
I found "Bimbo" means "shallow woman" in English, "child" in Italian, "bread" in Spanish. Are they correct? In Japanese,
(BINBO) means "poor".
It's easy to imagine that some opposite things can be seen. We describe beautiful things as
(KIREI), but I've heard that it sounds just like a Thai word "keeree" which means "ugly".
Although it is off topic, I'm wondering what does the word "kuso" mean in Chinese. Because every time I search the word "kuso" (which means "shit" in Japanese, but it's typed with English alphabets in this case) with Google, a bunch of pages written in Chinese are hit in these years. (Don't ask why I'm doing this!) By using an online translation service, I found that "KUSO-culture" in Chinese seems to mean some hilarious or foolish things, but I'm not sure. I'm also wondering whether this came from the Japanese word or not. Please let me know if you have some information about it.
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This is so funny! I felt the same when I was in Japan because my name kept getting written different ways in katakana because I have so many L sounds. I love the TABERUNA - that's funny!! I really enjoy your blog. Please keep posting! :)
Posted by: Wiccachicky | May 4, 2005 6:52:14 PM
it comes from the japanese word, the chinese (taiwanese in this case) probably pick it up from the japanese anime, where this word is oftenly heard, meaning 'shit', just like in english when we shout 'shit' for profanity. For some reason, it's now means 'funny' or 'foolish act', probably because in the anime, the characters says 'kuso!' usually right after when they see something unbelievable or stupid funny act, and i believe this is how it's caught up in chinese.
Posted by: andycjw | May 4, 2005 8:51:10 PM
To me, "bimbo" in English is even worse than that. My dictionary says it's "a woman, especially a young, sexually attractive, unintelligent one". The first time I heard the Japanese word, one of my students was describing herself as "binbo", so I thought she was saying something awful about herself!
Another example is "saikou" (best/highest/supreme) and "psycho", especially 'cause I've heard people on game shows say "saikou!!!" in a pretty psycho/crazy way...
Posted by: Qoo | May 6, 2005 8:21:26 PM
I just have to say that bimbo isn't bread in Spanish, "pan" is the correct word. (Just like in Japanese)
Posted by: Lysse | May 8, 2005 12:28:37 PM
I heard that the english word bimbo came from Japanese. When American soldiers occupied Japan they heard some ladies saying something like binbo desu, to say they were poor, but soldiers took it to mean they were selling their bodies. I'm not certain on that, but that what I heard. There are other Japanese words in English that came from WWII including Honcho, usually in English you say something like, "He's the head honcho." It means he's the leader, coming from 本長
Posted by: Ajani | May 11, 2005 11:03:34 AM
yes, bimbo in italian is a child or a baby
Posted by: skinner | May 15, 2005 6:12:53 AM
to Wiccachicky
Yeah it's strange. "Ray", "Rey", "Reigh", "Lay", "Lei", "Leye" are the completely same name in KATAKANA.
to andycjw
Thanks! We Japanese can read part of Chinese characters but "kuso" makes a sense of nothing but "shit". So sometimes we can find so funny phrases for us on Taiwanese websites like "shit culture", "shit works", "shit wind", "shit race"...
to Qoo
Funny! Young people sometimes call a fast food chain First Kitchen as "FAKKIN" for short.
to Hakuoni
Hey, long time no see! Had you beaten back those insane customers? :)
to Lysse
Thank you. I always wanted to know where the word "pan" came from.
to Ajani
I've not heard the word "本長", but it would have used in those days. It's very interesting that our outdated word is used in foreign countries alternatively.
to skinner
Thanks. So the Itarian "bimbo" seems to have no relation with Japanese BINBO.
Posted by: xogij | May 15, 2005 4:56:09 PM
Hi. I stumbled upon your very interesting blog while I was searching for Japanese hairstyles (!!!). I was lead to the Elvis hair rip-off page. Really funny! >u<
I just wanted to share that Kire in Filipino means flirt (as a noun). We also have a prawn snack called Kirei. I never knew it meant beautiful. ^_^;;
Posted by: rin | May 19, 2005 7:22:45 AM
to rin
Then we have to be careful not to say "kirei" to Filipino women!
Posted by: xogij | May 22, 2005 6:11:28 PM
Again on the word "Bimbo". In portuguese, it means "redneck", "hillbilly", someone lacking style or manners. Its interesting the similarity in meanings in languages so far apart
Posted by: bruno | Jun 14, 2005 3:55:07 AM
Your comment about Uma Thurman's face and the meaning of her name in Japanese is hilarious!
Posted by: Mark | Oct 12, 2005 4:46:49 PM
Years ago a very polite Japanese girl offered me "a slice of Katsuo".
Well, now I know that It's a fish, but years ago I didn't know that word...
So you can imagine my face because in Italy there is a very common word: "cazzo" that is used in very different ways, but it's not very polite and basically means penis...!
Posted by: andrea | Nov 4, 2005 8:40:24 AM
About "Bimbo": Well, the word for bread in spanish is indeed "pan" (just like the japanese word, right? But I think that one comes from the portuguese "pao"). There is, though, a brand called Bimbo, which is pretty famous all around spanish speaking countries. :)
Posted by: Claudio | Nov 8, 2005 8:22:06 AM
First, I'm really enjoying the insights on your website! You seem to be a rather honest and humorous person when describing your culture, so it's a fun read.
Second, here is the funniest double meaning word I've encountered living and learning in Japan. "Kuchi". As you know, in Japanese it means "mouth" and is also applied to things like entrances. However, I am from the Southeastern USA. At least there, for I am NOT an expert on slang, "coochie" means another kind of entrance. It basically refers to female genitalia. To the best of my knowledge it's not a slang word with a negative connotation, it's more cute, though it's still a slang word that could only be used respectfully in a few situations. There's even an old blues song "Hoochie Coochie Man" that's been covered by lots of famous artists. You should give it a listen!
Posted by: Anna | Nov 22, 2005 11:00:13 PM
The word 'pan' (bread) is indeed derived from the Portuguese word as it was they who first introduced it to Japan over 400 years ago. Most Japanese were forbidden from eating 'foreign' food, such as bread, until as recently as 100 years ago.
The word "coochie" is derived from an older form of the French "couchee," meaning a "bed-time visit." "Couche," is the past participle of "coucher" to lay down and indeed is slang for a woman's neither regions in English. The "hootchy-cootchy" is a dance created by the Southern Black population where the woman rotates her hips in a sexually suggestive manner.
"Bimbo" a pretty but empty headed and sexually promiscuous woman, is derived from Italian, literally 'little child.'
Posted by: Bakafish | Dec 2, 2005 4:30:19 PM
Hi! I'm spanish :)
As the others say, Bimbo doesn't mean bread in spanish, bread in spanish is "pan".
Bimbo is a pretty famous brand of bread, we use to call it "pan bimbo" :D
i used google to find a picture XD
http://images.ciao.com/ies/images/products/normal/139/product-147139.jpg
Posted by: shaeht | Jan 9, 2006 6:58:49 AM
I enjoy reading your articles, they are very intelligent and interesting. One small story about double meanings of words: once, I went into a grocery store and the cashier's name was Chu! I thought it was cute that her name meant "kiss," so I told her. She was very happy to learn that her name had such a pleasant meaning in another language. She said it made her day!
Posted by: jogon | Feb 7, 2006 7:48:02 PM
Hello,
Just want to share that 'Kire' in Javanese means 'dog', and 'kere' in Jakarta's slang means 'penniless', 'poor', or 'temporarily out of money'.
But I'm sure one of our domestic female singer was named Kirey after the Japanese word.
Posted by: Juniar | Feb 24, 2006 9:18:05 AM
Pan in Spanish and Japenese means bread, if the Portuguese brought the word "pao" over wouldn't the Japanese say "pao"? I've found a website while looking up Central American and Japanese relations to find that some Japanese latinos were deported from Central America to Japan. The word pan could come from those once solely spanish speaking individuals.
Here's a link:
http://www.lasculturas.com/content/view/37/5/
Although the source is questionable, I wouldn't find this so hard to believe (due to the intolerance of the time).
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@lamz: The pronunciation of the Portuguese pao sounds almost like "pan". And the Portuguese arrived in Japan first.
Posted by: Claudio | Jan 20, 2007 1:28:41 PM
in Spanish bread is "pan" just as in japanese i can tell this for sure, cuz i speak both japanese and spanish. Bimbo is a brand of bread, it is very popular.
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