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What Is Actually Lost
We can often see or hear Japanese words in a lot of Hollywood movies in these years, like "The Last Samurai", "Kill Bill" or "Lost in Translation".
But we can laugh at their incorrect use of Japanese words no longer, because most of them are grammatically correct when comparing with the old movies of Sho Kosugi's era. (I have watched a ninja movie over 20 years ago that a ninja was repeatedly saying "Sit down and I give you my sword" in awkward Japanese but it didn't make any sense in that situation.) The filmmakers seem to have realized about the importance of good language coordinators.
I saw "Lost in Translation" on US version of DVD and found that there is no English subtitles for Japanese lines on the movie. So I guess many people are wondering whether something was actually lost in translation, and if so, what was lost. So I tried to translate them to English.
In this scene, an American actor Bob Harris (Bill Murray) is being directed to star in the commercial for Suntory whiskey. The director speaks to Bob only in Japanese and a Japanese lady translate it, but she doesn't seem to be a professional translator. Bob starts to suspect the translation is not correct, and to feel uncomfortable with being in Japan.
The following italic words are spoken in Japanese in the movie.
Director: Mr.Bob-san, you're now comfortably sitting in your den. And there is a bottle of Suntory whisky on the table, you know? Please speak with full emotion, slowly, looking at the camera, tenderly, and just like meeting your old friend. Like Bogie in Casablanca. "Toast to your eyes, Suntory time!"
Translator: Um, he want you to turn, look in camera. Okay?
Bob: That's all he said?
Translator: Yes. Turn to camera.
Bob: All right, does he want me to... to turn from the right, or... turn from the left?
Translator: (to the director) Well, he is ready to act. But he's still wondering whether he should turn from the left or turn from the right when it starts...
Director: Who cares about such things! We don't have much time Bob-san, you know? Then quickly give me more high-tension. Look at the camera. Keep staring at it. Slowly, okay? Show more passion in your eyes. Alright?
Translator: Right side, and, uh, with intensity. Okay?
Bob: Is that everything? I mean, it seemed like he said quite a bit more than that.
Director: What you say (in this commercial) does not mean only about the whiskey, you know? Like meeting an old friend, tenderly and gently. And an emotion flowing out from your heart! Don't forget it!
Translator: Like an old friend, and into the camera.
Bob: ...Okay.
Director: Get it? You love whiskey. "It's Suntory time!" Okay?
Bob: ...Okay.
Director: Okay? Ready? Action!
Bob: (to camera) "For relaxing times, make it Suntory time."
Director: Cut! Cut! Cut! Cut! Cut! Do you really understand? Or you joking? This is Suntory "Hibiki" which is the most expensive whiskey in Suntory. Give me more high-grade feeling, okay? It's not an ordinary booze!
Translator: Uh, could you do it slower...
Director: (to the translator) Luxury feeling. Translate it!
Translator: and with more ...intensity?
Director: (with pointing his finger to Bob) "Suntory time." (to the crew) Okay? Ready? Action!
Bob: (to camera, a bit more slowly than the last time) "For relaxing times, make it Suntory time. "
Director: Cut! Cut! Cut! Cut! Cut! Give me a break!
Bob: (says nothing and scowls at the director)
The funny thing is that the director (I think it's stereotype of Japanese commercial directors) says only abstract things and there's no logical direction at all. So Bob would not understand him even if his words were translated correctly.
When the classic movie Casablanca was released in Japan, the lines, "Here is looking at you, kid" were translated quite lyrically like "Toast to your eyes" in Japanese by some oldtime translator. So many Japanese people believe that Humphrey Bogart actually said so in the movie.
And one more funny thing I found on another DVD. In "Kill Bill vol.1", we can see a Japanese actor Sonny Chiba obviously missing his lines in Japanese. In the scene that his role as Hattori Hanzo finishes his new sword and passes it to The Bride (Uma Thurman), his required lines were: "MOSHI KAMI GA TACHIHADAKAREBA KAMI WO MO KIRERU DAROU" (If the God interrupts you to go, this sword can even kill him). It's very serious scene, but the word "TACHIHADAKARU" (to stand to interrupt) is pretty hard to pronounce even for us. In the movie, Chiba once says like "KAMI GA TADA..." and quickly corrects it "KAMI GA TACHIHADAKAREBA". I guess that he must have spoken those lines without any mistakes in another take, but sadly, no one in the editing room might understand Japanese language to find which one was an OK take. Isn't it rare that such a clear mistake remained unnoticed until the movie was released?
In addition, in "The Girl Next Door", Elisha Cuthbert wore a t-shirt that said "A happy new year, January 1st".
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Comments
First, I love your blog, stories, and pictures. I spent several hours yesterday reading it all. I love it, especially the introduction to many Japanese words and phrases. Your pictures have me wistfully remembering my all-too-short vacation to Tokyo and Kyoto a few years ago.
Second, I think you're missing the point about Lost in Translation a little bit. Yes, the director is being overly dramatic in trying to set the mood for what is only a commercial, after all. But I think the humor, to those of us that don't speak Japanese (yet), is that the director goes on and on while the translator condenses it into 4 or 5 words, without really conveying the meaning. Subtitles would have been nice, but I think it would have ruined the movie director's intention of Japan (and Japanese) being so foreign and different. I think the (American) audience is not supposed to feel "comfortable" with being in such strange surroundings, just as the main characters never really blend in. Thanks for the translation of what is said though. :)
Posted by: Tinyhands | May 3, 2005 1:53:33 PM
I must say, I came across your blog by accident some time back, and I love reading it. Even when speaking about what seems like mundane topics, you're incredibly posts are incredibly interesting, and the photographs you post are great.
I haven't been to Japan, but I'd love to visit someday. Of course, I need to study the language more. X_X
Anyway, I was curious, did you find Lost In Translation derogatory or offensive? I had heard some Japanese-Americans were offended by it, and I was wondering what your impressions were?
Posted by: William Ruzicka | May 3, 2005 10:50:59 PM
Great post. Very interesting translation.
Glad to see you back! Also enjoying the blog, as usual. :)
Posted by: John from Outlaw Fish | May 3, 2005 11:25:16 PM
Thank you, I read it with pleasure. Great blog.
Posted by: nmlss | May 4, 2005 1:07:35 AM
I've been enjoying your blog as it helps me a lot to find out myself(I am Japanese as well). I laugh a lot at what you describe about our weired (or looks weired from other cultures) behavior or system, and at the same time I feel great love to all of them.
By the way, thank you very much for doing a great job in the very famous scene from "Lost in Translation"! I cannot tell how many times I was asked by my friends or collegues, "What the Director guy is telling in the in Japanese?"
Now I just have to tell them your URL!
Posted by: TLJG | May 4, 2005 10:21:58 AM
to Tinyhands
I'm a bit sorry that I couldn't let you know I understood the humor in that movie. I guess that the movie was partly based on the filmmakers' actual experiences, and their aim must be to bring the same feelings as they did in Japan to the audiences who are not familiar with it. But I still think that I would want to know what those Japanese characters said if I could not understand Japanese. Because I love Hollywood movies and I've taught myself English so that I can understand what are said in the movies. I don't want to miss every single word in the movies which I like. My skill is not enough yet though.
Anyway, thanks for letting me hear your thoughts.
to William
Thank you for reading, but I wonder where you could find any topics here which is NOT mundane :D
I was very impressed by the movie and didn't think it's offensive at all. I even wondered how the filmmakers could portrait Japan so realistic. If the people felt offensive about things described in the movie, it may because they are feeling inferiority about them.
to John
Thank you for not giving up on reading!
to nmlss
Thanks for coming from Russia. (aren't you?)
to TLJG
It's really strange, but I feel embarrassing to be read my wacky English by the Japanese like you who is living and working outside Japan than any native English speakers... Anyway I'll check your blog regularly. Thank you!
Posted by: xogij | May 4, 2005 6:06:10 PM
If the people felt offensive about things described in the movie, it may because they are feeling inferiority about them.
Even though describing it as "feeling inferiority" has a pejorative connotation, I agree, but would like to explain why.
I believe that the reason why Asian-Americans are offended by this sort of thing, while Asians living in Asia are not, is that AAs are a minority in America, and have had to deal with the associated identity and power problems. This might be similar to what Koreans and Brazilians feel in Japan?
Starting from the gold rush immigration and lasting until maybe a decade or so after WWII (my guess), AAs had to put up with a lot of violence and discrimination. I've met a granny who said she got attacked in the schoolyard during WWII, and her issei father couldn't buy property for a very long time.
Fortunately, that kind of thing doesn't happen these days. However, I suppose even subtle social situations that other people may find trivial, still resonates with that time. For example, Japanese aren't offended by the word "Jap", but it reminds JAs of a time during WWII when people believed they were traitors and it was used as an insult.
Most AAs I have talked to become angry at movies like Lost in Translation because they feel that it traps them into one of several stereotypes about Asians: they are boring, dependable worker bees; they are exotic, submissive geishas if female; they are wacky and hopelessly geeky if male. It doesn't matter that Lost in Translation is about Japanese people, because a lot of Americans do not make a distinction between Nihonjin and Nikkeijin, or sometimes even Chinese and Japanese.
It's a common sentiment that AAs would not get as upset if there was a larger range of Asian characters in the American media. Fortunately, this is changing with the internet and as more young people produce media to express their ethnicity.
All of this is not a matter of life-or-death, but it can be infuriating on a prolonged and widespread basis. And I think if AAs want to be angry about this, it is their prerogative.
Of course, I myself am speaking as a Nikkeijin.
Posted by: Candace | May 9, 2005 10:17:06 PM
Thanks for the translation of this scene. As one who works on television commercials let me say that the director in this scene is not a stereotype of Japanese commercial directors, but of ALL commercial directors. Not of all, perhaps, but of a certain type that could be of any nationality.
I'm surprised to find that the director wasn't actually saying MORE than he was. It seemed to take many more Japanese words than the Enlish words that his dialog translated to. This, of course, was what Bob was wondering.
On a tangent, I would like to say that this film gave me a great sense of Japan -- right or wrong. I got a feel for the modern city and for some of its ancient tradition as well. I may be getting the WRONG feel, but I sense a remarkable beauty and dignity in the scenes that seem to reflect "Old Japan", and extraordinary energy and excitement in the scenes representing the "New Japan."
Posted by: Joseph Thomas | May 10, 2005 12:47:28 PM
Nice going, Joseph Thomas, but next time please comment with... more INTENSITY... ok?
Posted by: freemont | May 11, 2005 4:41:21 AM
I can't believe no one has translated this before, thanks for a great post!
Posted by: Tom | May 11, 2005 10:11:32 AM
to Candace
Thank you for describing your subtle feelings.
The two main characters in this movie didn't come to Japan from their own motivation. It doesn't matter if it's Japan or not, as you said, it's hard to feel comfortable when we are in foreign countries in such situation. Many things will be annoying us and we will be tired to attempt to understand them. So I still think those filmmakers are courageous to portray these feelings despite that some people may feel discriminatory. And I also guess the immigrant people may have different feeling about this because they had to live in more hard circumstances as you mentioned.
to Joseph Thomas
So the commercial directors in your country also speak much meaningless words? Japanese directors are known as that they use onomatopoeia very often. Though he is not a commercial director, a famous baseball manager Nagashima is told that when a player asked him how he should hit, Nagashima said: "You should move your waist like GU! and hit the ball like GA!". No one could understand it.
to freemont
That's all he said?
to Tom
I can't believe, too. Maybe someone would have already translated before.
Posted by: xogij | May 15, 2005 4:47:32 PM
It's really amazing and beneficial to be here, esp. for your translation of some Japanese lines in "Lost in Translation" into English versions because I have to do a presentation related to this film the day after tomorrow in class. Would you mind if I quote some of your translation here? I would be very grateful for your permission.
Thank you.:)
Posted by: Echo | Jun 8, 2005 3:40:45 AM
My wife HATED the movie (she was born and grew up in Japan until age 26, married me and has since spent about that long in the US.) It's her contention that NOBODY in Japan is so incompetent as to bring in a Foreign talent and have a director who can't communicate with him. I don't disagree.
OTOH, I thought the movie was hilarious - my Japanese is nowhere near as good as my wife's, but I got it.
The main reason I liked the movie was the way it evoked memories of being in Japan for the first time, unable to understand anything. Since even the alphabet ws unfamiliar, I might as well have been on Mars. Japan isn't heaven, but I find WAY more to like than dislike. Even the bad makes me appreciate what's good about the US.
Posted by: MarkD | Jul 11, 2005 10:24:58 AM
I loved the movie. I didn't take the movie as stereotyping Japanese. I loved the whole interaction between Bill Murray and the girl. (I forget her name.) The whole scene where she finds he has gone to bed with the singer had great tension. Sure there might have been some stereotyping, but was it really any different than being in a foreign country? Stereotypes are true to a degree; not in an absolute way, but to a degree.
Posted by: Jim | Jul 31, 2005 8:20:36 AM
Hey! I really enjoyed your blog. I lived in Japan for ages, but never realised that all the things I found so weird and wonderful in Japan were also thought of as weird by the Japanese. Reading your blog makes me terribly natsukashi and want to go back and experience it all over again. But until then, your blog is a great substitute for not being there. Please keep it going!
Posted by: Kaci | Sep 26, 2005 12:21:29 AM
I didn't really enjoy the movie due to the stereotyped Western point of view of Japanese culture portrayed (I'm Chinese btw). I've studied Japanese for several years now and I enjoyed reading your post on the movie and thanks very much for sharing your translation on those parts of the movie. I'll be visiting often!
Posted by: ahmad | Sep 28, 2005 2:52:45 AM
I saw this movie 3 or 4 times already, and everytime again wondered what the Japanese director was saying, except for some words I couln't understand it and I was too lazy to start distinguishing the words and looking up the meanings and all, and then this. Thank you
Posted by: Kiyoshi | Jan 1, 2006 2:40:51 PM
Oh please help with something. I don't to able to translate the line from The Last Samurai.
Algren (Tom Cruise) says: "Because they come to destroy what I have come to love."
I would like to know how would that sound in Japanese. Could someone please translate it for me?
Please e-mail me at greenmumba@hotmail.com if you have translated it. Oh please....someone....anyone....?
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